During the activity, members of the social movements and presidents stated repeatedly that it would be good to move towards a convergence between the movements and the governments of change. Real World Radio interviewed MST leader and asked him about this issue, specially how this alliance could be forged.

Stedile answered that “every change depends on the organized popular strength”, but “at the same time, the implementation of changes depends on the public power, on the changes in the State”.

“So, this alliance is crucial”, said the MST leader. “On one side to empower social movements, generating more organized strength with the movements, and at the same time having governments that can change the State, so they agree with the needs of the people. This is why this alliance is crucial. For both of them to understand each other, the governments have to realise that strength is in the people, and people have to realize that by themselves they won´t do much, without controlling the State”, he expressed.

Recently, the MST celebrated their 25th anniversary. In a document signed by Stedile himself, the history of the movement is analysed, but at the same time it states that it has changed, and the aim is not only to occupy lands, but to fight against agribusiness, while looking for another development model. With the experience of the MST as background, Real World Radio asked the leader what the role of the social movements will be in the particular situation we are currently going through.

“Capitalism changes every day, increasing its power on agriculture, nature, as a way out of the crisis. And the capitalists classic way out of the crisis is at the workers´ backs. With more exploitation, unemployment, and worsening of the living conditions”, stated the leader.

“Then, what is the role of the social movements? It is to confront the crisis with a popular program. This is not about medicines to save capitalism, social struggles need to be built to gather strength, in order for these strengths to confront capital, protecting the rights of the workers and step up. With a popular agrarian reform, with employment generation programs, breaking with foreign dependance, we have to stop sending money to foreign countries, and accumulate it to have a project of a more advanced society”, he expressed.